will build hot rod for CEMENT

[kustombuilder]

it's become a friggin mud hole out here with the snow melting. i have a planned addition to the shop which will need some cement aswell as a portion in front of the addition and some more of the driveway. any of you semi-local HAMBer's work in the business? got any suggestions for getting out of it as cheap as possible? wanna trade work for cement? i can setup the forms but i need to get a Bobcat out here first to move some dirt. HELP! i'm drowning in MUD!!!

[Paul]

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got any suggestions for getting out of it as cheap as possible?

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do the site prep and formwork yourself but leave the screedwork and finishing to the pros.

I hate "duck ponds"

if you can, have them place the mud directly out of the chute, or get a couple buddies to help run wheel barrows.

for outside flatwork ask for a light broom finish as opposed to a hard trowel to reduce labor cost.

have drainage thought out and ready, catch basin(s)? trench drain?

Paul

[fordiac]

i just got some last year.

definately do all the grunt work yourself. layout the size with lumber the thickness you want the cement to be. a 2 by 4 is really only 3.5" wide.

try to tie in the new part with the existing cement using rebar or something.


the one section inside my shop has raised up this winter about an inch and quarter. kinda sucks

[choprods]

Shit, I thought you said build a rod OUT of Cement.....Man thats heavy............. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kustombuilder]

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Shit, I thought you said build a rod OUT of Cement.....Man thats heavy............. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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whatever you want man, you just buy the materials and pave my stuff for me. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TP]

What does concrete go for in your part of the country? Do as the guys say, dowel it into existing, 4" thick is fine. Wire in the concrete only keeps it from seperating not cracking. Broom finish keeps you from busting your butt.Use green wood for expantion joints. Get a good drain on it or you'll be sorry.Think about it before you pour. If you were around here I could fix you up. I work about 250-300 men a day in the foundation business. Concrete is $51.50 a yard here in the Houston area.A yard covers 81 s.f. 4" thick. Get a 2500-3000 lb 4-5 sack mix. Tell them you want a 5" slump.That'll be just fine for a driveway. TP

[hotrodladycrusr]

Mike, if you guys choose to do this yourself I'll pitch in manual labor in exchange for welding labor on Big Olds. I might not look it, but I can push a wheelbarrow and broom, along with working a shovel, with the best of 'um. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DIRTYT]

i can do brick pavers for ya and u can chop my top! we can do a little car shapped patio http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




Bryan

[Levis Classic]

Mike I can help you with the drainage and setup being an Engineer and all!

[Phil1934]

Engineer/contractor here. Don't use expansion joints in the concrete. Get a 2x4 long enough to go across the forms for a screed and rent a float and you are good. If it's real wide drive a 2x4 peg in the middle for elevation control and float to it. Hit the local discount house for edging and joint tools. You don't need the good brass ones, just the cheap sheetmetal ones. You'll need three people for shovelling and screeding. And keep a wheelbarrow of concrete when you let the truck go. And don't do it until you know the night time temps will stay above freezing.

[Machinos]

I'll be an indentured servant for a year to anyone who gives me an actual garage!

[WZ JUNK]

Funny this topic came up. A neighbor came by Saturday and offered to pour a slab in front of my shop 30' X 40' in exchange for me to replace the floor in his 56 Chevy. He will buy all of the materials. I think I will do it.

[roaddevil]

In columbus is 76.30 a cube and north of columbus its 63.55 with fiber for a cube.

For my new shop its going to take 68 yards.

[kustombuilder]

WOW! thanks for all the offers of help and advice. i thought for sure this wold be a hundred pages back by now.

WZ JUNK- send him over here. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifi have a 56 in the shop right now for new floors.


my addition is 16x32 but i also want to go out in front of it about 20' but the one corner will not be there cause i want to have a big curve in that corner so that little piece wont quite be 16x20. depending on how much money i can come up with i'll prolly have to do it in two sections. the addition first then the driveway part. then after that i have the entire parking area of the driveway i'd like to do but it's huge and may never happen. or it'll happen a section at a time. i'd do the entire driveway if i could but it's about 150 yards long not counting the parking area.

thanks again everyone for the offers of help. you'll be hearing from me http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

[NoSurf]

4" in Texas/Georgia may work but 4" in Michigan is entirely different. If you don't want it to crack you will need more than 6x6 wire mesh.

It depends on what you are going to be doing on the slab. If you are going to be jacking up cars/trucks outside (which you inevitably will) you are going to need a reinforced slab. Either thicker concrete or more steel.

Placement of the reinforcing within the slab is extremely important. Also maintain minimum clearences between the soil and reinforcing.

And I would suggest use of expansion joints as well.

The #1 thing is subgrade preparation. You want excellent drainage and NO settlement after you place the concrete.

My $.02, but I am not a PE.

(I hesitate to respond because I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone about what will or won't work for you.)

[kustombuilder]

hey, do i hear another VOLUNTEER?? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif it's be great fun!!


DIRTYT-- i might take you up on doing some brick pavers. i have a couple walkways planned. i'm sure we could work out some sort of labor trade type-o-deal. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Phil1934]

And when I poured my walkway I buried a couple intakes and a driveshaft. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Hot Rod To Hell]

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And when I poured my walkway I buried a couple intakes and a driveshaft.


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and the neighbor.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[fab32]

Mike, I think I'll send Donzie over. I'm sure he would be more than glad to help out. When he finds out you are contracting construction work and not working on his car he might consider taking out a CONTRACT on you. hehe!!!

Frank

[studeboy]

Mike, I think Levis might be on to something with the drainage. Run the drain so it floods the asshole neighbors yard. I don't have any idea where that water came from.

Eric

[Donzie]

With all the great work Mike is doing on the Chevy I'll gladly donate some time...if I'm available.

[CadillacKid]

I'd be glad to help if i was closer to ya...my grandfather was a mason for years...all of his tools still there...everytime my family moves we do all of our own cement work...workin' a float's no sweat...kinda like using a giant bondo spreader....what's this shit about a skidloader? My old man always made us shovel everything....here's the deal....you're gonna want to dig down about 8-10 inches...then have a truck load of limestone brought and cover the whole area about 2 to 3 inches deep...then the wire, then the cement...don't ask why..i can't remember...this is just the way it was always done by us...good luck gettin outta that mud...

[kustombuilder]

i've done cement work before so i pretty much know how it's done, it's just payin for it and rounding up the help that is the problem. i have lots of volunteers now but i know what'll happen when it comes to crunch time.

[kustombuilder]

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Mike, I think I'll send Donzie over. I'm sure he would be more than glad to help out. When he finds out you are contracting construction work and not working on his car he might consider taking out a CONTRACT on you. hehe!!!

Frank

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you keep givin me shit about workin on his car i'm gonna quite then YOU can finish it for him http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif....